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what

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was going on uh at the time

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of jesus's birth from a political

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perspective

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that would cause uh you know even this

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story of the messiah being born to even

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you know bear fruit that that people

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could even be paying attention to it

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enough that

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that people would listen to a story like

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this what was going on

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in um you know israel jerusalem

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bethlehem etc

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at the time of jesus's birth well for

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the for the local history what's really

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critical

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is to take just a moment and remember

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the larger

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context which is that israel had been

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dominated by foreign powers

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for about 600 years at this point first

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it was the babylonians then it was the

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persians

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then it was the greeks and now it's the

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romans right that they had been

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a uh either a client kingdom or a uh

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what's the word i want to use a um you

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know but they've been control

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they've been dominated by these foreign

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powers right and then

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in the middle of the second century bc

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they won their independence the greek

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empire was on its way out

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the romans were on their way in and in

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this gap

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independent nation

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again for about 100 years

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so when you get to the early

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1st century bc roughly 75

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bc there was a civil war in israel

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between two

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princes okay uh they were judean royalty

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so to speak

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they weren't from the right tribe so i

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say so to speak

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but there were two judean princes two

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brothers

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and each of them wanted to be the next

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high priest which is the de facto

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king in israel and each one of them

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superpowers

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in the region at that time so one of

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those superpowers was of course

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rome but the other superpower was

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the empire to the east that a lot of

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people are unfamiliar with which is

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called parthia the parthian empire

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so these two princes allied themselves

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you know one with roman one with parthia

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so that's actually what sets the stage

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that's the macro

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the international that sets the stage

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the birth of christ is he's going to be

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the legitimate king

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that's going to show up on the scene in

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about 75 years

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so um first of all it's interesting that

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they weren't

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seeking neither of these princes were

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israel you're saying that both of them

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were felt like in order for me to come

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to power we better be aligned with

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somebody else

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correct yes yeah they they kind of you

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know saw the handwriting on the wall to

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use a biblical phrase

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that uh yeah they'd been independent for

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but you know these were the big guys on

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the block you know roman

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parthia and yeah they weren't going to

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be able to pull that off

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were these two followers of the old

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testament were they believers

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in the old testament yes they were

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that's that's another component

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of the back story is if you back up

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about a thousand years

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israel was at the peak of its power it

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like we said then these foreign powers

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uh took over the the holy land

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and israel fell under the domination of

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uh to a lot of people this was oh my god

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this is the opportunity for

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the kingdom to be restored we're gonna

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kingdom again you know that's what

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in jewish thinking that's exactly what

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oh my god is this the opportunity for

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to show up for this king that's been

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testament so the quick answer to your

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were believers they were yeah and they

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but that is another component of the

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kingdom of judea

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they wanted to restore the jewishness

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of the kingdom and as a matter of fact

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mary and joseph in galilee is because

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they were of the tribe of judah which is

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had had the battle between the two

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this is another part of the backstory

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makes this story so compelling and so

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and then the key that happened was is

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that is critical to our story is that

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a critical person herod the great okay

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uh the ethnic prince allied with rome

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very powerful courtier court official

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so he retreated first to alexandria

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his allegiance is going to be to roam

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king it is simply not possible

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he was actually what is known as an

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edomite or in latin and idumean

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an arab today so he was of mixed blood

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had been forcibly converted to judaism

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uh observed judaism you know as his

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kind of sort of you know but that just

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his jewish subjects more infuriated

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because he was this pretender king

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who kind of kept the religion not really

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and the bloodline is essential to the

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to someone who might be the messiah

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and then what makes it worse is the fact

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when he doesn't and the messiah that the

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looking for which ultimately some claim

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others that they thought that were the

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well i mean messianic expectation was at

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a peak at this time

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and you did have some false messiahs pop

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up here and there

292
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but it really happened more after jesus

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of

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nazareth came on the scene as opposed to

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before

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and the the messiah that they were

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seeking

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correct me if i'm wrong was one that was

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going to lead

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i don't know if i'm using the

301
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terminology right judea versus israel

302
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but but lead it back to prominence

303
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restore the temple restore the

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faith and be independently run certainly

305
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not under the thumb

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of rome yeah right

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in the broad strokes that is absolutely

308
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correct they

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the assumption of course under messianic

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expectation

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was that the messiah was going to

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overthrow the foreign powers that they

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would be an independent nation again

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that the kingdom would be restored

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and that it would be far more like the

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davidic kingdom they had once

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experienced and actually much better

318
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and what was the condition of the temple

319
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at the time that jesus was born great

320
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great question because

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when solomon built the temple you know

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that's called one of the wonders of the

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world

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and when the babylonians became the

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superpower in that region in

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approximately

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600 bc nebuchadnezzar

328
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the first king of the chaldean empire of

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the babylonians

330
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he had actually fought a major battle

331
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to the north uh the the ancient battle

332
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of carcamesh it was

333
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super significant battle he won that

334
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that made him

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the dominant power in the region and he

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just decided on the way

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on the way home let's go by jerusalem

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and let's sack the temple

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because that was one of the great powers

340
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of the world so he

341
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he did exactly that he actually invaded

342
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jerusalem on three separate occasions

343
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and eventually burned solomon's temple

344
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to the ground

345
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so then later on because he took a huge

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portion of the jewish population captive

347
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to babylon under the persians

348
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those captives were released so they

349
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returned

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to jerusalem and they rebuilt the temple

351
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under the leadership of a man named

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zerubbabel

353
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but then later and so that but that was

354
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just a pale

355
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you know reference to the the temple of

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old

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but under herod herod was an extremely

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ambitious

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and talented builder so he rebuilt the

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temple

361
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and rebuilt it to the standards of the

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prior solomon temple

363
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um almost yeah almost yes very close in

364
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some ways better in some ways not as

365
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much

366
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he did enlarge it he made the temple

367
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mount bigger and of course he built

368
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you know a roman fortress in the middle

369
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of it all and things like that

370
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and when people go and visit the wall

371
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these days

372
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is that the original wall from solomon's

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temple or that would be herod's temple

374
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it's it's from herod's temple there's a

375
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lot of debate over to whi

376
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which it is uh there's actually a lot of

377
00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:20,480
debate that suggests that the

378
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the wailing wall might actually be the

379
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wall of the antonio fortress that was

380
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built by herod as a roman fort and

381
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when did uh was herod's temple complete

382
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by the time that jesus was born

383
00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:37,760
no it was not it was actually not

384
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completed until well into

385
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after herod actually died and uh well

386
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into jesus's life

387
00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:47,120
okay so at the time jesus is born we're

388
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under the rule of

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romans this a-hole uh king herod

390
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we've got no temple so we're really

391
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looking

392
00:13:59,590 --> 00:13:58,000
for the messiah yeah well you have a

393
00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,600
temple it's just under construction

394
00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:01,680
under construction right and it was

395
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:03,120
already pretty impressive

396
00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:05,519
at that point in time i i can't remember

397
00:14:08,069 --> 00:14:06,720
the date off the top of my head i

398
00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:08,079
believe herod started

399
00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,440
rebuilding the temple in about

400
00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:13,680
15 bc so it had been under

401
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:15,279
reconstruction for about 15

402
00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:18,000
15 years at that point in time so it was

403
00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:19,440
pretty significant already

404
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:21,600
but yeah messianic expectation was real

405
00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:23,519
high and herod was

406
00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:26,160
oh he was a character he was a real

407
00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:27,040
character

408
00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:29,440
and he ran judea for the romans well and

409
00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,279
what what is the story

410
00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:33,519
that you hear about that king herod was

411
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:35,120
killing babies

412
00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:38,079
well now that comes later uh after jesus

413
00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:39,279
is born

414
00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:41,440
and after the wise men show up because

415
00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:43,040
the wise men show up

416
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:45,360
very interestingly and say oh by the way

417
00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:46,959
where's the legitimate king

418
00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:49,199
you're clearly not him where is the

419
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:50,320
legitimate king

420
00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:52,880
and herod like i indicated a couple of

421
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:54,720
minutes ago

422
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:58,399
he there were other claimants to the

423
00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,279
throne

424
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,680
that were more legitimate than he was so

425
00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:02,959
he had said this is why

426
00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:05,600
my project okay my project is called god

427
00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:06,639
save the king

428
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:10,079
play on words

429
00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:11,920
because when i say god save the king

430
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:13,279
what king do i mean

431
00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:16,560
do i mean king herod or do i mean

432
00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:19,600
king jesus right because herod

433
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:21,360
undoubtedly had

434
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:24,320
yes men in his court surrounding him

435
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:24,800
saying

436
00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:26,880
oh great king live forever god save the

437
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:28,000
king right

438
00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:29,360
but that's not what i'm talking about

439
00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:31,040
i'm talking about

440
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:34,720
god save the king jesus of nazareth the

441
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:35,519
mashiach

442
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,560
the king of israel right so herod had

443
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:40,959
spent his entire career

444
00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:43,920
um killing off threats to his throne

445
00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:45,759
including a couple of his own wives and

446
00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:48,160
several of his own children

447
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:51,839
so how many babies would you say he had

448
00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:54,000
executed there well there's a lot of a

449
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:55,279
lot of debate on this

450
00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:56,800
and i actually think the number is

451
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:59,360
pretty small because bethlehem was kind

452
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:00,639
of a backwater village

453
00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:02,880
in a way in a manner of speaking so it

454
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:04,480
was not a very large village

455
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:07,680
uh probably a maximum i mean if i

456
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:09,600
i mean realistically two to four hundred

457
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:10,959
people lived there

458
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:13,759
and if you really stretch it maybe 600

459
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:14,160
right

460
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:17,360
maybe so if you just do generic

461
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,720
um you know calculating on

462
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:22,079
what does that mean for the number of

463
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:23,680
adults and the number of children and

464
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:24,959
things like that

465
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,959
how many male children under two years

466
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:28,240
older they're going to be in a village

467
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:29,360
that small

468
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,600
so i'm thinking the maximum he killed

469
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:34,320
was maybe between 10 and 20.

470
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,360
so from a historical perspective would

471
00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:39,360
you say it was

472
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,370
these wise men

473
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:42,480
[Music]

474
00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:46,079
believing that jesus this baby

475
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,759
is the messiah right really is the thing

476
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:51,279
that brings attention

477
00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:54,399
to jesus to begin with in many ways yes

478
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:55,120
because that's

479
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,720
another component of this story that's

480
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:59,120
widely misunderstood is the role is who

481
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:00,800
were these wise men who were they

482
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,639
right and we actually have more

483
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:04,480
information about them historically than

484
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:05,199
we

485
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,640
they started as the hereditary

486
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,000
priesthood

487
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:14,799
of of a small empire called the medes

488
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,240
the median empire

489
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:17,839
but then over time they became the

490
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:20,559
hereditary priesthood of the babylonians

491
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:23,280
and then of the persians and then they

492
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:25,360
were dispersed for a while under the

493
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:26,559
greeks

494
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,799
but what they did is they by this point

495
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,640
they had already developed a

496
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:33,039
tremendous reputation for their their

497
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:34,640
wisdom for their knowledge

498
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:37,520
because these were the the uh what do

499
00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:39,039
you want they weren't just strictly

500
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:41,360
scientists but they were scientists

501
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:43,520
and they were politicians and they were

502
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,720
advisors

503
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:46,720
and tutors to royalty and things like

504
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:49,039
this so they had this really broad base

505
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:50,640
of amazing knowledge

506
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:54,080
so under the greeks they would travel

507
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:57,440
to these uh large centers of learning

508
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,559
and become court officials or the greeks

509
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:02,880
would send their best and the brightest

510
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:06,880
to the east to study with the magi

511
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,520
so how that affects them showing up is

512
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,880
under the greeks you know the greek

513
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,559
empire under alexander was

514
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,640
enormous it stretched all the way from

515
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,799
the mediterranean to india

516
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:21,200
but it was so big that once alexander

517
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:22,320
died

518
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,760
the greeks just couldn't control it

519
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:25,520
anymore so there was this

520
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:28,559
small province on the southeast corner

521
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,080
of the caspian sea

522
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,120
called parthia and parthia won their

523
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:34,640
independence from the greeks

524
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:37,520
and then they started to expand westward

525
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:38,320
over the next

526
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,440
that would have been in the middle of

527
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:42,080
the third century bc so over the next

528
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:43,280
150 to

529
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,200
250 years they expanded to the west

530
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,440
as the parthian empire and by the time

531
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,360
you get to the birth of christ

532
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:53,280
they are the other superpower like i've

533
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,799
said a couple of times now

534
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,480
you've got roma in the west you've got

535
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,919
parthia on the east

536
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,600
and they are the two superpowers of the

537
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,280
day they are the united states

538
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:03,120
and the soviet union of their day

539
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:04,480
unquestionably

540
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:08,320
but so the wise men though were

541
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,600
uh uh adherence to the old testament i

542
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:12,720
mean they were

543
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:16,480
true believers and unlikely unlikely now

544
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,799
yeah what most likely happened here is

545
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:20,320
that

546
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,799
like i mentioned a minute ago they were

547
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:24,240
the hereditary priesthood of the

548
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:26,000
babylonian empire

549
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:29,760
and when nebuchadnezzar sacked jerusalem

550
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,880
he took the best and the brightest of

551
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,720
the judeans

552
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,960
prisoner back to babylon and there's a

553
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:38,880
very well known story

554
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:41,280
about a young hebrew captive named

555
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:42,160
daniel

556
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:45,520
who rose to power and was made the

557
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,720
uh it's it's called the uh the rob mug

558
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:51,360
rob needs head and mug is a reference to

559
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,160
the magi

560
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:54,240
he was made rob mug or the head of the

561
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:56,880
magi the chief of all the wise men of

562
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,760
babylon

563
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,360
so that's very interesting that you have

564
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:01,200
a hebrew who is

565
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:04,159
the chief of the wise men and it's

566
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,280
widely believed and

567
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,600
i believe this that there was actually

568
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:09,600
kind of like a secret society

569
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,799
amongst the babylonian wise men who held

570
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:14,480
this secret knowledge

571
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,000
about this jewish messiah

572
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,080
so the wise men that would have visited

573
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,320
jesus upon his birth

574
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:24,320
those would have been obviously true

575
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,520
adherence

576
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,600
to the old testament and believing this

577
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:29,440
is that a messiah is coming and this is

578
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:30,240
the messiah

579
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,840
right something along that lines because

580
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:33,679
in other words what they is i believe

581
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,000
they

582
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,240
probably were adherents to their own

583
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:38,000
religion but like i said i think there

584
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:39,280
was this

585
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,600
kind of secret society this uh this uh

586
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:46,080
this secret knowledge that was passed on

587
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:47,440
from daniel on down

588
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:50,880
amongst the magi so there was a subgroup

589
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,760
that was aware of this and see them and

590
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,360
what helps to understand here is what

591
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,200
the magi's role was

592
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,679
in the in their empire as a whole they

593
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,480
had

594
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,720
three primary obligations because the

595
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,760
parthians

596
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,400
had one of the earliest examples of

597
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,480
essentially what would be a parliament

598
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:11,360
they had two houses the upper house was

599
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,559
the royalty

600
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,080
and then the lower house was the house

601
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:16,880
of magestanis the magi

602
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,679
and the magi had three primary

603
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,720
responsibilities

604
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,400
one believe it or not was to interpret

605
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,559
dreams they were the

606
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,000
the dream interpreters of the day

607
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,240
because in that day and time

608
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,080
if you had a dream that was considered

609
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,080
an omen that was

610
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,720
god or the gods or the universe or

611
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,520
whatever

612
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:37,360
trying to get you a message so if you

613
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,559
had a dream

614
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:40,320
you went to the magi and said i need

615
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,600
help interpreting the stream because

616
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:42,799
someone's trying to

617
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,080
talk to me so one of their

618
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:48,240
uh responsibilities was dream

619
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,280
interpretation

620
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,960
another responsibility was reading the

621
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,440
stars okay so we'll get into that

622
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,919
if we have the time and then their third

623
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:57,120
responsibility

624
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,400
was overseeing royal succession

625
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,080
because the parthians had a practice

626
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,760
that was unusual

627
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,240
for that day and time which is that they

628
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:08,080
did not practice the right of

629
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,280
primogeniture

630
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,280
and what that is is that is when the

631
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,559
king would die

632
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:15,679
his eldest son did not automatically

633
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,159
become

634
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,440
king it was the magi who examined the

635
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,200
genealogies and everything and

636
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:24,240
determined who would the next king be

637
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:28,159
so very interesting so let me guess mary

638
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,760
famously had a dream that angels

639
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,080
came upon her and correct me if i get

640
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,559
any of this wrong because i'm no scholar

641
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,679
but that that angels visit her

642
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,280
and basically tell her that she's going

643
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:43,520
to carry god's

644
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:47,919
son and presuming she probably goes to

645
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:50,960
he's magi and for a little dream

646
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:52,840
interpretation

647
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,559
and that spins off the story from there

648
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,640
okay so that's not exactly correct but

649
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,039
it's very insightful nonetheless because

650
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:03,600
yes uh angels did speak to mary in a

651
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,320
dream

652
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:06,559
angels also spoke to her husband joseph

653
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,440
in a dream

654
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,280
now they wouldn't have had any contact

655
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,440
with the magi at that point

656
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,440
so they didn't run off to the magi to

657
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,120
get their dreams interpreted

658
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:17,280
but it is interesting to note that

659
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,480
dreams

660
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,840
form a significant portion of this story

661
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,720
because

662
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,559
not only did angel speak to mary in a

663
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,720
dream angel spoke to joseph in a dream

664
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:30,080
but when the magi do show up they meet

665
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,400
with

666
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,520
herod first herod tells them where to go

667
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,200
to find

668
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,919
the newborn king of the jews they go

669
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,840
there they worship them they pay homage

670
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:40,880
they

671
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:44,640
speaks to them

672
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,200
in a dream not to go back to herod

673
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,360
so they they return home by a different

674
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,039
route and what was it about

675
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,159
the this baby that caused

676
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,039
you're saying herod told them about it

677
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,120
and they knew about it what was

678
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:03,360
what was special about this baby well

679
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,159
ultimately

680
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,159
they read about it in the stars meaning

681
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,440
i believe that

682
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:10,159
uh when daniel was the chief of the magi

683
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,120
600 years

684
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,360
earlier that he imparted the secret

685
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,880
knowledge that got passed out and passed

686
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,440
down

687
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,520
and passed out and they read it in the

688
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,559
stars

689
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,880
that the king of the jews had been born

690
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,880
but another interesting component of the

691
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:24,640
story that a lot of people are unaware

692
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,200
of

693
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,559
is that since the magi oversaw

694
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:31,440
royal succession well what's going on in

695
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,000
parthia

696
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,200
at that time oh well go figure the king

697
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:36,880
of parthia had just

698
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,080
died so the magi were in their

699
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,360
deliberations

700
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:43,200
to determine who the next king of

701
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,720
parthia would be

702
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,039
and i believe that when they examined

703
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,480
the genealogies

704
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,080
they not only found the next king of

705
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:51,679
parthia they found the next king of the

706
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,320
jews

707
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,520
and they discovered that they were the

708
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,840
same person and

709
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,600
what about what was herod's role in it

710
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,520
because you said that herod told them

711
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,440
where the king had been born right well

712
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,760
herod as we mentioned earlier was

713
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,159
a proselyte to the jewish religion he

714
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:07,600
practiced some of it he didn't really

715
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,559
practice some of it

716
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,799
he wasn't really super well educated in

717
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,919
the jewish religion

718
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:15,120
he did enough to get by so then when the

719
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,679
magi

720
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:18,080
show up and remember now this is a

721
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:18,960
foreign power

722
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,320
right and he had defeated the parthians

723
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,279
in battle 35 years earlier when like we

724
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,960
said when

725
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:29,760
when rome appointed herod to be king of

726
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,400
the jews

727
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,720
they didn't have it to give so they give

728
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:34,720
him 11 roman legions it takes him

729
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,760
three years he drives the parthians out

730
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,960
of judea

731
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,799
and becomes the king of the jews and he

732
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,000
spends the next 35

733
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,400
years defending his throne against any

734
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:45,760
challenger

735
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,360
now he's near 70 years old he's old

736
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:52,080
he's really sick he's downright mean at

737
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,200
this point

738
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,840
and does he have any boys uh yes he does

739
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,799
he has a couple of

740
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,120
he's got a bunch of sons he had uh 10

741
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,960
wives and i forget the total of

742
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,120
i forget the total number of sons he had

743
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,799
but he'd murdered at least three or four

744
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,279
of them

745
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,440
by this point in time because they had a

746
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:09,120
better claim to the throne like we've

747
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,159
said

748
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,400
and then the magi show up this foreign

749
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,200
power

750
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:16,080
who he has everybody knows who they are

751
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,600
this is not some

752
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,080
you know secret people that pop popped

753
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:21,520
up out of nowhere

754
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,640
they know who the magi are right but

755
00:26:28,269 --> 00:26:25,520
they show up

756
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,279
at his court and it is an official

757
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,320
ambassadorial entourage

758
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,559
with military escort that shows up in

759
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:33,760
his court and says

760
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,960
by the way where's the legitimate king

761
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:38,640
you're not him where's the legitimate

762
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,840
king so he calls the jewish religious

763
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,240
officials into a meeting so that he can

764
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:46,080
get a couple answers that he's not

765
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,360
exactly aware of

766
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:49,679
so he it's he calls the jewish leaders

767
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,400
and says

768
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,679
where's the messiah supposed to be born

769
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,080
again i don't recall and they go oh he's

770
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:55,840
in he's in bethlehem

771
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,039
right so the jewish leaders say that

772
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:01,279
the religious leaders so that's how

773
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,320
herod knows

774
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:05,200
to tell the magi well go to bethlehem

775
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,000
and then once

776
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,200
you find him then send word back to me

777
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,520
so that i can come and worship him too

778
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,600
which is obviously just his ruse to find

779
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:16,480
out where he is we can kill him

780
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,159
and now let's talk about mary and joseph

781
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,320
sure you know i i know that the bible

782
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:24,559
ties their lineage

783
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,399
way way way back to david et cetera

784
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:31,200
weren't they just kind of regular people

785
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,919
at the time

786
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:34,080
or even peasants well it's kind of a

787
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,200
both end and

788
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,480
because on one hand uh

789
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,520
any jew who lived

790
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,559
in israel under herod

791
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:47,200
was could only be rich if you allied

792
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,320
yourself

793
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,320
with herod it'd be the only way you'd be

794
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,480
able to keep any real money

795
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,159
you know because they were just taxed

796
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,240
into oblivion by herod now

797
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,480
joseph it says you know we call him a

798
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,840
carpenter

799
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:02,000
the word in greek is actually technon

800
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,520
which means a builder

801
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,279
which means he would have been skilled

802
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,120
in building with stone

803
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,240
wood and metal so that means he probably

804
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,159
was actually a little better off

805
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,919
than most people would have normally

806
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,760
have been but once again

807
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,240
he would have been taxed into you know

808
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,919
into poverty by herod

809
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:22,080
so they didn't have a whole lot of money

810
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,279
but

811
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,279
it is very clear from scripture that

812
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,399
both joseph

813
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,039
and mary were of the house and lineage

814
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:30,880
of david so that means

815
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,159
they were royalty and galilee like i

816
00:28:37,470 --> 00:28:35,279
mentioned earlier

817
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,480
had specifically and deliberately been

818
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,960
repopulated

819
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,840
with judeans right because judah is a

820
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,880
southern tribe

821
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,440
and galilee is in the north there had

822
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,520
been a very deliberate migration

823
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,080
to the north to repopulate and

824
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,919
re-judaize galilee

825
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,159
so this was the whole thing behind why

826
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,520
they had to travel

827
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,760
to bethlehem anyway was this decree went

828
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,279
out from augustus

829
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,080
that's everybody needs to register and

830
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,240
there needs to be a census taken

831
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,880
and so they go to their ancestral

832
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,240
hometown

833
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,080
to register and that's a big deal

834
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,399
because we call it bethlehem but it's

835
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,559
actually got two names in the bible

836
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,080
the other name is it's called the city

837
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,320
of david because that is where

838
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:21,200
david is from it's his hometown as well

839
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,159
so

840
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,159
on one hand yes they weren't super well

841
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:26,640
off financially but on the other hand

842
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,000
they were they were legitimate royalty

843
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,600
and this was a day and time when you

844
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,840
would have had arranged marriages

845
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:36,000
and their families would have been in

846
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,960
effect

847
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,120
patriots that's the word we would use

848
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:41,120
here is they were patriots so the

849
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,399
likelihood that this was

850
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:45,279
an arranged marriage uh that would keep

851
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,559
the bloodline

852
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,840
pure is very high

853
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,559
so and they were engaged at the time of

854
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,440
the birth

855
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,039
yeah they were betrothed or what we

856
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,039
would call engaged um it's

857
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:59,039
different culturally than what we would

858
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,559
understand today it's

859
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:03,440
much more serious i mean if you were

860
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,320
betrothed

861
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,440
in bible times and then you needed to

862
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,760
separate for whatever reason that

863
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,679
required a legal proceeding you didn't

864
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,760
just walk away you had to actually get

865
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,880
divorced once you were betrothed

866
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,679
but yes they were betrothed when she

867
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,039
became pregnant you know as the

868
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,039
scriptures say by the holy spirit

869
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,840
with the with the messiah and how do

870
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:28,320
they feel about premarital sex in those

871
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,039
days

872
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,760
well it's that raises a really really

873
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,200
good question about

874
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,120
because my whole project is all about

875
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:37,120
what would this have really looked like

876
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,760
because

877
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,520
i don't believe that the traditional

878
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,120
nativity story

879
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:44,320
represents the reality all that well

880
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,750
researching this because i want to tell

881
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,760
the story right i want people to know

882
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,360
this is what it really would have looked

883
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,279
like so that's a great question

884
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,200
what did they think about pre-marital

885
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:59,039
sex um

886
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,399
and they looked it was that was

887
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:02,399
considered adultery and adultery

888
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:05,679
was punishable potentially

889
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:13,190
and when would the conception have been

890
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:16,720
relative to the the throat be throthing

891
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,549
well the the chronology changes because

892
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,919
you know for one and we haven't really

893
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,960
talked about this yet

894
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,559
i do not believe for one second that

895
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,080
jesus was actually born

896
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,919
on december 25th i believe he was born

897
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,279
in the fall

898
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,279
and i can show you why i believe that

899
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,760
but when you put the whole chronology

900
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,240
together the irony is is that the

901
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,200
conception probably occurred in december

902
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,720
okay but as far as um but you have the

903
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,600
words

904
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,159
as far as the premarital sex part did

905
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,600
they possibly get

906
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,880
let's call it engaged i'm having trouble

907
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:56,559
pronouncing that words let's just engage

908
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,159
that's fine um would the engagement have

909
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,519
happened before or after

910
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,840
the conception it was before because it

911
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:04,720
clearly says

912
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,320
that that while they were betrothed

913
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,480
is when what's called the the

914
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:12,000
annunciation or the immaculate

915
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,039
conception happened

916
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,960
so would that be considered but that's

917
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,799
still considered pre-marital sex being

918
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,320
betrothed well does not give you a

919
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:20,240
license to have sex right but who's the

920
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,440
father

921
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,440
at least well right we'll get to that

922
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:25,279
part we'll get to that part

923
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:28,640
right an obvious skeptic is going to say

924
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,840
oh my gosh they had pre-marital sex she

925
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,799
got pregnant

926
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,480
she's going to be stoned to death put in

927
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:36,240
jail cast away whatever would have

928
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,760
happened in fact

929
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:39,120
i'm going to ask you that question what

930
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,000
would happen to the person that

931
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,120
circumstance so she makes up the story

932
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,880
right so that that's the obvious skeptic

933
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,120
sure yeah oh i didn't know

934
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:50,159
yeah the skeptical point of view would

935
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,399
be

936
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,320
yes well you make you make up the story

937
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,200
right okay you make up some grand story

938
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,279
but it's actually really interesting

939
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:58,799
because this is another part

940
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,080
of you know my project like i said

941
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:04,960
trying to tell the story accurately i

942
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:05,519
believe

943
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,840
that once she was aware

944
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:11,919
right and especially once she told

945
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:15,360
joseph that they absolutely had to keep

946
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,399
it secret

947
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,200
i don't believe they i believe she

948
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,399
absolutely hid

949
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,279
herself as much as possible and that

950
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,360
once she told joseph

951
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:28,799
i believe they left nazareth immediately

952
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,840
and that the cover story or ended it's

953
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:33,600
it's a de facto cover story

954
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,880
that when the uh decree came down

955
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,600
from augustus caesar that everybody of

956
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,960
the royal family

957
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:43,279
had to register that provided them

958
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,480
that's the better way of saying it it

959
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,000
provided them with a perfect cover story

960
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:47,679
oh we've got to go to bethlehem anyway

961
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,080
so

962
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:50,080
guess what we're leaving nazareth and

963
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,200
we're leaving nazareth

964
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,279
right now because then that way i think

965
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:55,039
she was still early enough in her

966
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:56,240
pregnancy that it wouldn't have been

967
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,120
obvious

968
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,440
and therefore let's get out of nazareth

969
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,480
now

970
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:03,120
so that we don't get discovered and when

971
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:04,399
you say discovered

972
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:07,519
what would happen to someone who um you

973
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:08,399
know had a baby

974
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,440
out of wedlock right potentially

975
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,119
she could have been stoned i think

976
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,839
that's unlikely however for two reasons

977
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,720
number one even though there are a

978
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,720
significant number of

979
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,879
death penalty offenses in the old

980
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,560
testament

981
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,040
they weren't always practiced i mean

982
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:28,639
people weren't always put to death for

983
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,079
them and certainly for something as

984
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:34,240
interesting as adultery you know having

985
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,520
sex out of wedlock

986
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:38,000
okay what's the punishment level just

987
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,119
below death

988
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,720
right well that would have been

989
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,240
ostracization for sure

990
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,079
and that's and that is what they would

991
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,839
have risked is because there is a very

992
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:46,800
interesting

993
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,159
verse in deuteronomy that says

994
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,240
it's it's what's known as the bastard

995
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,520
curse okay

996
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:56,079
and it says that a bastard or an

997
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:57,680
illegitimate child see because that's

998
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:58,320
the thing

999
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,000
if she's discovered then clearly her

1000
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,640
child is quote unquote illegitimate

1001
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,599
right

1002
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,240
okay so this verse in deuteronomy says

1003
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,079
that an illegitimate child

1004
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,440
cannot inherit in israel

1005
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,599
for 10 generations which would have

1006
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,839
meant it would have disqualified

1007
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,880
jesus from being the messiah if there

1008
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,440
was

1009
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,880
obviously makes up this story

1010
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:27,599
about the holy spirit and the virgin

1011
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,640
birth

1012
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,040
right well once again okay coming at it

1013
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,359
from a skeptical point of view yeah she

1014
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,200
makes up a story now i'm not a skeptic

1015
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,119
so i don't i don't believe that and i

1016
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,720
don't agree with that because i believe

1017
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,000
what scripture says

1018
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,760
about this i believe that that story is

1019
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:44,000
legitimate that she was overcome by the

1020
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:44,960
holy spirit and

1021
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,400
impregnated divinely or immaculately

1022
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,480
and then bore the messiah as quote

1023
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,680
unquote the son of god

1024
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,040
let me ask you a quick question about

1025
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,640
that because i i think this is a

1026
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,760
catholic thing only

1027
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,560
but the immaculate conception a lot of

1028
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,079
people have this wrong

1029
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,240
in in catholic faith the immaculate

1030
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,280
conception

1031
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,640
is is mary's birth that well

1032
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,359
that she had a a virgin birth right yeah

1033
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,200
because that's what made her pure

1034
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:14,480
to then carry god's son right yeah the

1035
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:17,680
the whole traditional story about mary

1036
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,040
is that her parents uh which comes from

1037
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:22,640
apocryphal literature

1038
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,839
uh her parents were named anna and

1039
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,200
that's

1040
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,960
i forget his name but her mother's name

1041
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,320
was supposedly anna

1042
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,240
it comes from apocryphal literature that

1043
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,520
they were barren

1044
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,680
and that they prayed to god and that god

1045
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,520
granted them this

1046
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,119
frankly this kind of immaculate

1047
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,480
conception kind of thing it's not

1048
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,599
precisely clear

1049
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:44,240
but yes that that produced mary and

1050
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:44,880
therefore

1051
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,320
mary was like extra pure from birth

1052
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:50,640
but it's actually a both and if you if

1053
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,359
you believe

1054
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,720
that that source which i do not

1055
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,800
okay for other reasons but if you

1056
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:58,400
believe that source

1057
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,839
then yes they claim that mary is extra

1058
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:03,839
pure that yes that is the immaculate

1059
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,640
conception

1060
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,400
but now you have a second immaculate

1061
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,160
conception in that

1062
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,640
she was impregnated by the holy spirit

1063
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:12,160
here's a good historical question for

1064
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:12,640
you

1065
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,839
was was this a story that was going

1066
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:17,040
around at the time

1067
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:20,960
virgin births and perhaps even as a way

1068
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:24,079
of not being ostracized slash stoned to

1069
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,880
death

1070
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:28,079
that people would allege it was a virgin

1071
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,720
birth

1072
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,720
right uh to be blunt i'm going to answer

1073
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,160
that question honestly i don't really

1074
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,920
know if that kind of story was going

1075
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,640
around

1076
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,640
historically at that time i'm not really

1077
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:38,560
sure

1078
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,920
okay so then what connects them

1079
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,839
to the wise men because it seems like

1080
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,040
that's the next

1081
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,480
important part of the story that

1082
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,119
she might be telling people it's a

1083
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,480
virgin

1084
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,560
birth but bottom line there was some

1085
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,320
people who

1086
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,359
believed it and gave special

1087
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,040
significance to this child

1088
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,200
right well the interesting thing here is

1089
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:04,400
that the

1090
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,000
importance of you know is such

1091
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,480
bear with me for a second as i work this

1092
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,000
out so

1093
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,560
she and joseph get betrothed then she's

1094
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:16,160
overcome by the holy spirit becomes

1095
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,280
pregnant

1096
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,560
she tells joseph she and joseph

1097
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,640
complete their marriage now that's a

1098
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,760
whole

1099
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:26,079
story unto itself about the fact that a

1100
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:27,040
jewish marriage

1101
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,400
had two main components the betrothal

1102
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:32,320
and then the nuptials when they actually

1103
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,440
came together

1104
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,680
uh sexually and officially became

1105
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,720
married married

1106
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,720
right um so i believe they were

1107
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,079
betrothed she

1108
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:42,960
became pregnant they finalized the

1109
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,839
wedding

1110
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,160
mary tells joseph and the two of them

1111
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,359
decide

1112
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:50,240
we've got to get out of here no matter

1113
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,040
what

1114
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:53,839
now of and so they do the like i said

1115
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,320
the

1116
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,720
registration becomes a very convenient

1117
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:58,880
cover story so they leave nazareth

1118
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,320
they go to bethlehem where

1119
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,320
no one knows them quote unquote it's

1120
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:05,920
their ancestral hometown but we don't

1121
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,400
know

1122
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,320
whether they did or did not have like

1123
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,040
direct relatives there or whether it was

1124
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,160
extended family most likely

1125
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,680
but no one there knows and now that they

1126
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,760
are officially married

1127
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,800
joseph can adopt the child as his own so

1128
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,520
that once

1129
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,839
he's born no one's really going to know

1130
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,800
the difference at that point

1131
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,280
okay and then how do they get connected

1132
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,800
to the

1133
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,440
magi sure so well the imagine i just

1134
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,280
kind of show up out of nowhere

1135
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,359
in a manner of speaking because they go

1136
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,880
to bethlehem and now

1137
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,640
very important because chronologically

1138
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,839
this is something else a lot of people

1139
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,119
are unaware of

1140
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,560
uh the shepherds found a baby in a

1141
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,400
manger in other words they showed up

1142
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:53,440
on the night jesus was born

1143
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:56,800
the magi found a young child living in a

1144
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,599
house

1145
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,720
about 15 months later so they were not

1146
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,400
there at the same time

1147
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,640
so and i believe that mary and joseph

1148
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,480
remained in bethlehem that entire time

1149
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:08,400
that they traveled to bethlehem

1150
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,599
that she gave birth the uh the shepherds

1151
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,359
showed up that night

1152
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,280
and then they stayed in bethlehem i

1153
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,520
think largely because of the

1154
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,560
uh you know the possible spectacle of

1155
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,760
being discovered

1156
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:24,480
that by remaining in bethlehem they're

1157
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,800
not

1158
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,240
no one's going to know who's going to

1159
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,079
know that jesus is not

1160
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,280
joseph's son right and what was it

1161
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:33,520
because you said herod sent the magi to

1162
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,319
bethlehem

1163
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,040
right and that was when jesus was

1164
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,000
already now

1165
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,160
about 15 months you're saying correct

1166
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:41,680
yes and

1167
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,560
what was herod basing was this just a

1168
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,920
total ruse and just

1169
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,680
sending them on this crazy mission or

1170
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,440
was there something going on circling at

1171
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:51,520
the time that there had been talk that

1172
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,560
someone special had been born well messi

1173
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,640
it's it's possible it's a little it may

1174
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:58,079
it's very possible that it's kind of all

1175
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,119
of the above

1176
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,520
because yes we we know for a fact that

1177
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,359
messianic expectation

1178
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480
was very very very high okay

1179
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,400
because interestingly enough the exact

1180
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,119
same astronomical information that the

1181
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:12,560
magi read

1182
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,800
that would have led them to judea

1183
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,400
roman astronomers would have been

1184
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,160
reading that exact same

1185
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,240
those exact same signs and going oh look

1186
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,920
it's talking about augustus

1187
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,680
he's the father of the country he's this

1188
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,200
amazing guy he brought

1189
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,119
pox romana he brought peace throughout

1190
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,200
the realm and they would have attributed

1191
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,280
the exact same thing to augustus but the

1192
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,280
magi attributed it to

1193
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,599
oh it's it's not augustus it's the king

1194
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,560
of the jews

1195
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:41,119
we better go find out what happens so

1196
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,000
they go

1197
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:43,680
what they do what they know to do which

1198
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,720
is they go to the royal court of herod

1199
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,160
but they also know that herod's a

1200
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:51,040
pretender so he's a roman appointee so

1201
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:51,680
when they

1202
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,319
show up and like i've said this was an

1203
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,400
ambassadorial entourage this was not

1204
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:57,760
three wise guys

1205
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,640
on camels this was a hundred magi a

1206
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,359
thousand camels and military escort

1207
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,440
showing up at his court and saying

1208
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,960
you're not the real king where's the

1209
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,079
real king

1210
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,200
so it says in the bible that herod and

1211
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,560
all jerusalem

1212
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,680
was greatly troubled he freaked out when

1213
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:16,960
these guys showed up

1214
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,319
so i do believe that it mostly was a

1215
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,160
ruse it was wait a second

1216
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,680
you know because he was a very shrewd

1217
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:25,760
political operator very shrewd political

1218
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,560
operator

1219
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,079
so he would have just kind of backed off

1220
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,520
and said okay well i'm gonna find out

1221
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,520
where this baby is and then

1222
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,280
send in my black ops team and quick and

1223
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,040
quiet take him out

1224
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:37,040
and then would he at some point have

1225
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:38,480
ever felt threatened

1226
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,640
by this baby child king of the jews

1227
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,160
absolutely because that would have meant

1228
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:46,560
massive insurrection

1229
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,839
so would he have tried to have this

1230
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,960
child killed

1231
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,520
absolutely and that do we think that

1232
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,880
that happened

1233
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,800
well he didn't succeed because that's

1234
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,000
where the story takes

1235
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,079
up and says that you know an angel

1236
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,680
communicated to joseph again

1237
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:04,800
and said take uh the young child and his

1238
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,870
they got up and got out of town and

1239
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:12,560
where in egypt do they go

1240
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:15,839
uh you know best guess is going to be

1241
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,800
you know the nile valley uh probably

1242
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:21,839
very similar to if not exactly where

1243
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,280
the jews lived in large numbers when

1244
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,520
they were captive in egypt which would

1245
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:29,920
be the land called goshen which is in

1246
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,319
the

1247
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,960
eastern nile valley and and when mary

1248
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:34,800
and joseph are taking

1249
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,560
their child there in their minds

1250
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,720
they're taking the messiah there they

1251
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,560
they know or in their heads they are

1252
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,079
raising the messiah

1253
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,510
um and then ultimately he returns when

1254
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,040
pardon me i got something caught in my

1255
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,280
throat here um

1256
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:57,760
say that again and and and then how old

1257
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,800
is jesus when they uh return

1258
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,480
hard to say we don't know exactly how

1259
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,720
long

1260
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,720
they were in egypt i think it was a

1261
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,720
matter of no more than about six months

1262
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,480
months to a year although the

1263
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,640
traditional version of the story

1264
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,240
suggests it was longer the traditional

1265
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:15,760
version suggests

1266
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,960
they were there for maybe a couple three

1267
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:23,119
years i think it's more likely six

1268
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,160
months to a year

1269
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,720
before they came back because in the

1270
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,160
story

1271
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,280
in the bible it says that when they came

1272
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:32,400
back

1273
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,040
they realized that herod's son

1274
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,800
was ruling in judea in his place

1275
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,720
and that that's why because i think they

1276
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,440
planned on going back to judea

1277
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,800
but when they discovered that herod's

1278
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,720
son was ruling in his place

1279
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,160
that's when they said well let's go back

1280
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,480
to nazareth

1281
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,960
and is there any because you you've done

1282
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,079
you know an amazing

1283
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:59,119
historical analysis of all this uh is

1284
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,000
there anything

1285
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,040
in all of your historical analysis

1286
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,960
that you found that's in the new

1287
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,280
testament that is just

1288
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,599
actually that doesn't really pan out

1289
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,280
that part of the new testament is not

1290
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:12,720
correct

1291
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,920
i've never found any such thing yeah

1292
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:17,920
so i found something that i think that

1293
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,400
looked differently than we have assumed

1294
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,839
people people have just incorporated

1295
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,520
people misinterpreted things do you

1296
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,480
think sure yeah

1297
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,400
well i think this whole story is

1298
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,000
significantly interpret

1299
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,920
misinterpreted because that's that's the

1300
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,680
whole point of my project

1301
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,760
you know god save the king.org is the

1302
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,040
fact that

1303
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,359
there is this traditional traditional

1304
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,720
nativity story

1305
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:41,200
that everybody thinks is how it happened

1306
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:42,000
and it has been

1307
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,760
entrenched in our collective psyche for

1308
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,839
hundreds if not thousands of years

1309
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,599
and i think that story is largely

1310
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,440
incorrect and that the true

1311
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:54,000
biblical story okay and i say that as an

1312
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,040
orthodox

1313
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,040
believer i think that the true biblical

1314
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,440
story is really quite different

1315
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,480
and actually a better story and even

1316
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:03,440
more amazing

1317
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:06,960
and to be into be more specific i mean

1318
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,000
what it what is the the particular

1319
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,480
phrase or clause or paragraph or what

1320
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,760
have you in the new testament

1321
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,760
that people are misinterpreting well

1322
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:17,280
it's it's it's a lot of things i mean

1323
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:18,000
for example

1324
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,119
you didn't get a chance to talk about

1325
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,760
this uh the whole

1326
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:24,319
no room in the in thing right it says

1327
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,280
there was

1328
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,040
you know the a lot of people think that

1329
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:30,800
mary and joseph were a type of refugee

1330
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,920
to use a term because there was no room

1331
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,599
in the end there was no room in the

1332
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,800
motel

1333
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:39,440
but when you go to the greek it's not

1334
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:41,599
the greek word for a traveler's in or a

1335
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,400
motel

1336
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,960
it's the greek word for a guest room

1337
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,480
because they're going to their ancestral

1338
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,000
hometown

1339
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,160
and they're descended from david and

1340
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,640
it's a it's a hospitality culture

1341
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,079
all they would have had to have done was

1342
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,720
walk into the town square sit down

1343
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,240
and all joseph would have had to have

1344
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,240
done was say my name is joseph i'm the

1345
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,520
son of so-and-so who saw

1346
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,839
so-and-so so-and-so and listed back to

1347
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:05,040
david and they would have been

1348
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,200
welcomed into any home in bethlehem

1349
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,359
so jesus was born in a traditional

1350
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,119
judean home

1351
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,680
in bethlehem where there was simply no

1352
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:17,040
room in the guest

1353
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,559
room so this is one example

1354
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,280
i can keep going for hours yeah so you

1355
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,040
have two

1356
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,440
important elements uh just to keep it

1357
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,040
simple of jesus's life

1358
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,280
you you've got this the birth and then

1359
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:33,280
ultimately what he ends up

1360
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,200
becoming which is um you know this

1361
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,400
this i don't know what you call him a

1362
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,480
preacher or teacher of men

1363
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:43,200
um and so forth but with you know very

1364
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,400
profound

1365
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,200
teachings correct that he right very

1366
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,880
profound teachings and then ultimately

1367
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,920
of course he's

1368
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,640
killed but from a historical perspective

1369
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:54,319
it was it's always easy for me

1370
00:48:02,790 --> 00:47:58,000
to believe that yes clearly this is a

1371
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,510
and then as far as the birth goes for me

1372
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,960
looking at it as a skeptic kind of like

1373
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,839
ah

1374
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,079
that story sounds a little made up but

1375
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,280
i'm certainly willing to believe that

1376
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,119
there was a guy who in his 20s and 30s

1377
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,119
had quite a following and had some very

1378
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,200
profound things to say in fact i always

1379
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,160
say that you know the teachings of jesus

1380
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,280
sometimes get lost in some of the more

1381
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:24,800
cultish elements of

1382
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:28,559
of christianity um which is unfortunate

1383
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,040
because

1384
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,880
right i wouldn't necessarily disagree

1385
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,880
with you yeah the the teachings are so

1386
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,559
amazing that i'd love to see

1387
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:37,680
more um more focus

1388
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:41,680
on that but in your view as a historian

1389
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,040
you believe the evidence historical

1390
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,280
evidence of his birth

1391
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,040
and a bit being this kind of special

1392
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,880
thing is is just as strong as the

1393
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,319
evidence of his later

1394
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,200
teachings yes i do yeah yeah as a matter

1395
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,200
of fact in a significant way

1396
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,520
that is part of the reason behind this

1397
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,040
project is because

1398
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,960
uh christian apologists have already

1399
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,200
handled his death and resurrection

1400
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,240
you can buy books libraries full of

1401
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,280
books

1402
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,520
that handle the resurrection from an

1403
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,200
apologetics point of view

1404
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,400
to demonstrate that as we just said um

1405
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,319
jesus was a legitimate historical figure

1406
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,680
he actually lived

1407
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,839
he did you know he did what everybody

1408
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:24,000
said he did and then he died now then

1409
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,040
you get into the question of the

1410
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,440
resurrection and the whole

1411
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,480
point of these apologetic treatments of

1412
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,000
his death and resurrection

1413
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,119
is to prove that he was resurrected

1414
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,800
well frankly part of what i'm doing is

1415
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,480
i'm doing the same kind of thing

1416
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,400
i'm just doing it with his birth instead

1417
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,599
because this

1418
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,640
is largely uncharted territory

1419
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,119
in light of the fact that the story is

1420
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,800
so much different than we think

1421
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,880
there's been tons of research done about

1422
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,240
the astronomy about

1423
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,880
what was it the magi saw and i mean what

1424
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,480
date was he really born

1425
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,079
i mean that's all over the place but

1426
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,079
when i originally

1427
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,520
encountered the hypothesis now 30 years

1428
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,240
ago

1429
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,359
that he was not born on december 25th

1430
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,800
although that didn't shock me i think

1431
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,760
what happened at the time was i went oh

1432
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:15,119
well

1433
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,800
so he wasn't born on that date but

1434
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,160
okay so the rest of the story doesn't

1435
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,079
really change much does it and then over

1436
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,359
30 years of research

1437
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,040
it just took me totally by surprise and

1438
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,280
went oh no that changes everything

1439
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,040
it just changes absolutely everything

1440
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:30,640
the story just doesn't look like we

1441
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,119
thought

1442
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,240
at all and remind me this as far as any

1443
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,000
prophecies in the old testament that

1444
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,520
there would be a messiah that would come

1445
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:42,319
was it understood that the messiah was

1446
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:42,720
the

1447
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,839
son of god well that's that's a good

1448
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,880
that's a very good question because

1449
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,880
when you talk about all the prophetic

1450
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,040
elements in the old testament

1451
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,760
about when jesus would come one of the

1452
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,800
key components is

1453
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,440
is that you know a lot of the jews quote

1454
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,599
unquote did not recognize

1455
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:04,240
their own messiah right we we understand

1456
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,040
that as

1457
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,200
as christians as believers it's like

1458
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,040
okay well i recognize he's the messiah

1459
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,559
but how come the jews

1460
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,119
missed it right well jesus to be clear

1461
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:14,559
jews to this day

1462
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,160
but if you read the gospels

1463
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,920
you know you read all the gospel records

1464
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:21,599
matthew mark luke john and you

1465
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:24,960
you read all those records it's filled

1466
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:28,559
with the jews going yeah you're not him

1467
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,079
right a big part of that is because

1468
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:35,599
how he is described in the prophecies in

1469
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,000
the old

1470
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:38,160
testament is he's described two

1471
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:39,520
different ways

1472
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:42,559
on one hand he is described as this

1473
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:46,079
warrior king who is going to destroy his

1474
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,040
enemies

1475
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:49,280
right but on the other hand he's also

1476
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,319
portrayed

1477
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,359
as the suffering servant okay

1478
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,559
so if the expectation

1479
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,240
and i understand this from personal

1480
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,800
experience if you're expecting a certain

1481
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:01,760
thing

1482
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:07,119
that can really throw you for a loop

1483
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,319
that you don't wreck

1484
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,760
here you have this and you're just you

1485
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,359
just got blinders on

1486
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:14,559
because of your specific expectations

1487
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:18,960
you know so the question was

1488
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,839
was he uh prophesied to be the son of

1489
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:22,720
god

1490
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,440
and the answer is yes but that falls

1491
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,920
mostly under that category of

1492
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,800
the suffering servant angle whereas the

1493
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,240
jews were really looking for this

1494
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,920
warrior king

1495
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,000
and what about virgin birth was that

1496
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:37,680
part of any prophecy

1497
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,720
it's it's it it's it's a subject subject

1498
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,480
to debate i believe that it is that it's

1499
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,559
in isaiah that it's really pretty clear

1500
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,000
that it's prophesied to be a virgin

1501
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:49,119
birth you know uh in isaiah yes

1502
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,880
and the jews would say the mere fact

1503
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:55,920
that jesus failed in returning

1504
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,520
israel to its greatness and so on that

1505
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,599
that it's a circular argument a bit but

1506
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,200
that inherently

1507
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,440
tells you that this was not the messiah

1508
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:07,040
right well it is a circular argument

1509
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:08,240
because you have to

1510
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,440
define failure right you know

1511
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,000
because because he died but then if you

1512
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,000
believe in the resurrection

1513
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,240
so that does that make his death a

1514
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:19,599
defeat or a victory

1515
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:22,480
yeah right but but for jews victory

1516
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:22,960
meant

1517
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,640
restoring corrupt to its prior glory and

1518
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,000
certainly not being under

1519
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:31,119
the the subjects of rome right which

1520
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,400
certainly did not happen

1521
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,599
at that time yep right so how do you

1522
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:37,119
reconcile

1523
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,480
that it's called the second coming

1524
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,720
that those prophecies see because those

1525
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,319
are legitimate prophecies

1526
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,480
when you consider all the prophecies in

1527
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,079
the old covenant

1528
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,280
about the mashiach the messiah the king

1529
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:56,480
right he is described both ways not one

1530
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,359
or the other

1531
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,480
both right it's just that when he showed

1532
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,079
up at his first coming

1533
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,880
he showed up as the suffering servant

1534
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,200
when what the jews expected

1535
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,319
was the warrior king the whole issue of

1536
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,240
the second coming

1537
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,240
from a christian perspective is that

1538
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:16,400
when he returns the second time

1539
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,640
it is as the warrior king

1540
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,319
and so ultimately i said that we would

1541
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,880
we would get there which is

1542
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,520
you know what causes you to believe that

1543
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,400
he's truly

1544
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,480
a the messiah or more importantly the

1545
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:31,920
son of god and

1546
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:34,559
was resurrected in all those things you

1547
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:34,960
know

1548
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:38,640
again a historical figure yes

1549
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:41,760
great uh philosopher and

1550
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,079
uh you know brilliant teachings in in

1551
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,799
things to to live by but what is it that

1552
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,599
causes you

1553
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:52,799
to go the extra step right this is the

1554
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,680
son of god

1555
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,400
well the extra step is a combination of

1556
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:57,760
being scriptural

1557
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:01,440
and experiential right there's a story

1558
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:05,119
in the gospels where jesus asks his

1559
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,160
followers

1560
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,960
who do you say that i am in other words

1561
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:11,280
when people ask you who i am what do you

1562
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,599
say

1563
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,839
right or what i actually let me rephrase

1564
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,799
that he says

1565
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,119
who do the people say that i am he says

1566
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,400
that first

1567
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,920
uh who do the people say i am so the

1568
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:21,520
people are some people say well you're

1569
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:22,480
moses

1570
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,839
say you're a prophet

1571
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:27,839
and then jesus repeats the question and

1572
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,799
he says okay so who do you

1573
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:33,440
say that i am and the apostle peter

1574
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,000
pipes up

1575
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,359
and he says thou art the christ the son

1576
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,040
of the living god

1577
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,160
and jesus responds by saying well done

1578
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:44,400
well said simon barjona simon son of

1579
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,599
jonah

1580
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:48,240
for flesh and blood has not revealed

1581
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,520
this to you

1582
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:51,920
but my father who is in heaven so in

1583
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,640
other words

1584
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,680
peter's recognition of jesus as the

1585
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,520
messiah was experiential

1586
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,440
it's because it wasn't simply because he

1587
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,559
met him in the flesh

1588
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,760
which you would think that would be

1589
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,160
amazing oh my god i met him in the flesh

1590
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,160
i've got to be convinced right and yet

1591
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:08,000
this is the same peter who denied him at

1592
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:09,280
his resurrection

1593
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,319
but it was the revelation experience

1594
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,559
being revealed to him by god in heaven

1595
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,559
that said this is my son

1596
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,760
and for me it's the same

1597
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,160
so it's a combination of the fact that

1598
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:24,400
i've studied the scriptures for 30 years

1599
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:27,760
i am overwhelmed by the truth that i've

1600
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,559
discovered

1601
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,440
but then that has been combined with the

1602
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,359
revelation experience

1603
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:36,079
of god speaking to me himself thank you

1604
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,119
again to tim

1605
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,319
keys the documentary is called god save

1606
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,599
the king

1607
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,119
and you'll see our producer michael

1608
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,200
parker as the host

1609
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,960
again merry christmas happy holidays to

1610
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:48,319
all we'll be back soon with another

1611
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:50,140
episode of the hidden truth show

1612
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,549
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1613
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:58,319
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1614
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,920
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1615
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